In reply to a comments recently read…
God’s people, “Israel,” are those who have been following Christ during the last 2000 years. There is no proof even of descendancy since then. The current political system which calls itself “Israel” is not part of the Bible prophecies to which you are referring.
Right then, I’m going to opt for copious use of scripture. Of course, we will use literal Bible interpretation as it should be. Naturally there are scriptures of allegory strewn in the Word of God such as: And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. (Matthew 5:30) Jesus does NOT want you to literally cut off your hand! This is an example allegory in scripture.
What is Replacement Theology? Replacement Theology (supersessionism) Is that the church replaced Israel for all the promises and blessings of the Old Testament. ~BUT~ Somehow, they do not get any of the curses of the Old Testament????????? How in creation do they surmise that? Of course, there are apologetics galore within reformed circles all of which fail to stand the test of scripture. Every debate I have ever had with RT adherents always ends in “I Don’t know what that scripture means, but it doesn’t mean what it says” OR “Oh, that scripture is Allegory” WOW, if only it worked in the real world like that. The Bible is called the WORD of God, containing the Words of God, revealing the Living WORD of God (Jesus), containing hundreds and hundreds of fulfilled prophecies. It reveals the nature of God, in that God always means what he says. God never Lied. God never failed. Therefore, we can deduce that:
- GOD CAN NOT LIE
- GOD CAN NOT FAIL
- GOD CAN NOT DENY HIMSELF
Knowing that fact, read these scriptures and tell me they do not mean what they say.
And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” (Genesis 17:7–8)
Speaking to Abraham. Oh Wait, they say. “We are Spiritual children of Abraham”. Indeed, that is true we (True Believers) are. BUT God continues:
Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. (Genesis 17:19–20)
Oh wait, this Everlasting Covenant is affirmed through Isaac not Abraham’s other son Ishmael. Well then, there goes we (the Church) are the descendants of Abraham getting all the Covenants. God is being specific here folks. Yet again, God affirms this promise specifically to yet another descendant of Abraham:
And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants. Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you.” (Genesis 28:13–15)
Houston, we have a problem. If we literally read this, we clearly see that the Everlasting Covenant made with Abraham in Gen 17:7-8 is affirmed to Jacob here. It is a covenant of being ~Chosen~ to be ~Holy~ to God as well as Land granted that these descendants literally would occupy.
then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land. (Leviticus 26:42)
I could go crazy with replete scriptures reaffirming this covenant but for sake of brevity I’ll only use two such summaries:
He remembers His covenant forever, The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac, And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel as an everlasting covenant, Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,” (Psalm 105:8–11)
He is the Lord our God; His judgments are in all the earth. Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac, And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel for an everlasting covenant, Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,” (1 Chronicles 16:14–18)
So then, literal interpretation tells us that the descendants of Jacob (Israel) are the Chosen People God is referring to in this covenant. Who are those Chosen People today? They most certainly will need to be blood descendants of Jacob and maintain a national identity. Can the Church say this? No! Does the Church have a national Identity? No! Does the Church have a physical geographical land promised? No!
These Chosen People therefore are what we call the Jewish People today. What other Group of people have maintained a national identity for nearly 1812 years (dispersed circa 135-136 A.D. by Hadrian until 1948 reformation of Israel in the Promised Land)? No other group of people in world history has been uprooted (exiled) for that length of time and maintained traditions, culture, and identity other than the Jewish People.
Not only that, but God keeping His Word and promises 100% of the time also said this concerning returning the Jewish People (Jacob) to the land He promised:
It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea. He will set up a banner for the nations, And will assemble the outcasts of Israel, And gather together the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:11–12)
OK… That literally has been and is in process of being fulfilled. Oh, by the way God even tells us “Second Time” 1st being diaspora of Judea by Babylon 598ish BC and the 2nd diaspora being by the Romans in 136ish AD. He even tells us that the Nation will be born in a day before there was travailing meaning: Israel became a Nation then war followed. Most nations are born is a struggle of conflict. The American Revolution was struggle and war follows by the birth. Israel was simply born and then war followed. Just as God says:
“Before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came, She delivered a male child. Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, She gave birth to her children. Shall I bring to the time of birth, and not cause delivery?” says the Lord. “Shall I who cause delivery shut up the womb?” says your God. (Isaiah 66:7–9)
Literally fulfilled in 1948
These scriptures are fulfilled and are actively in the process of being fulfilled in this present day
Can you say Replete?
“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. (Ezekiel 37:21–23)
“Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Old men and old women shall again sit In the streets of Jerusalem, Each one with his staff in his hand Because of great age. The streets of the city Shall be full of boys and girls Playing in its streets.’ “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘If it is marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, Will it also be marvelous in My eyes?’ Says the Lord of hosts. “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Behold, I will save My people from the land of the east And from the land of the west; I will bring them back, And they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. They shall be My people And I will be their God, In truth and righteousness.’ (Zechariah 8:4–8)
‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. (Ezekiel 36:33–34)
Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west; I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not keep them back!’ Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth— (Isaiah 43:5–6)
“But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,” says the Lord. (Jeremiah 23:3–4)
Even Jesus said this would happen: And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:24)
So, for those that try to say, “All those scriptures of return are concerning exile in Babylon”. Oh yeah? If that were the case explain this:
“Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit. “I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them,” Says the Lord your God. (Amos 9:14–15)
Hmm… Wait…. It says NOT AGAIN BE UPROOTED?!?!?!?! OK, when was this fulfilled? If it was concerning the exile in Babylon, then explain the uprooting by Rome in AD136????????? Did God Change His mind? May it NEVER BE! If then God changed His mind concerning His covenant with Israel, then tell me… How secure is your salvation in Christ? I mean, if God can (in fact He CAN NOT) change His mind about Israel, He then therefore could change His Mind about the Church. To imply God could change His mind to to imply God can make a mistake, and that is impossible!
The Hebrew word of Everlasting is Olam. It means without end, eternity; remotest time; perpetuity. However God said this is when he would forsake Jacob and His Covenant: Thus says the Lord, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The Lord of hosts is His name: “If this fixed order departs From before Me,” declares the Lord, “Then the offspring of Israel also will cease From being a nation before Me forever.” Thus says the Lord, “If the heavens above can be measured And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done,” declares the Lord. (Jeremiah 31:35–37)
Well, I am quite positive the fixed order is still there. Yep, I just looked outside, and the sun is still there. Therefore, God has NOT cast Israel from being a nation before Him.
So, if you wish to allegorize all these scriptures, do so at your own peril. Even though the Jewish People are VASTLY not in belief, they nevertheless are beloved and chosen. God is not done with them by far sight and one day they will know their Messiah and King Yeshua (Hebrew for Jesus) For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” (Romans 11:25–26)
“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10)
As it is, we have descendants of Jacob living in the Promise Land just as the Covenant stated. It is for Gods Namesake and the Promise to their Fathers that He will Keep His Word. God even tells us this:
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. And who can proclaim as I do? Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me, Since I appointed the ancient people. And the things that are coming and shall come, Let them show these to them. Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ” (Isaiah 44:6–8)
Just take God’s own Words for it. Explaining away things, you do not like by claiming Allegory will not fly. Nor should eisegetically reading into Scripture what your theology is. Read scripture exegetically (take from). If you have a problem with what the scripture plainly states, maybe you are the problem and not the scriptures?